Jing Conservation

This is just my opinion, but a defined period of celibacy would probably force you to challenge any urges you might have, and view the emotional programming attached to our " animal consciousness" in a different manner, before turning it on its head

Imo (and it is only that, an opinion), if one really wants to have full control over jing conservation/loss they need to move to a point where they drive their desire, rather than their desire driving them. This sounds very simple, but its easier said than done

Erections will happen to almost everyone....sometimes unconsciously... I focus on the point between the penis and the scrotum...and then the perineum....it has worked for me..you might feel the jing move backward if you've built up a bit

3 days seems very frequent...how old are you if i may ask?

I feel like weekly is plenty for our demographic. My husband isn’t a cultivator, but as a former semi-pro endurance athlete he basically understood the connection from back in his racing days. I know it isn’t supposed to be as important for women but I start to feel run down too with too much. For a lot of women busy with kids, it starts to feel like another chore so longer might instill more a sense of yearning also. Emotionally, your wife might worry that you aren’t finding her attractive anymore so you need to communicate, maybe frame it as an experiment to see how you both feel and find other things to do together to connect as a couple.

Conjuring also can drain a lot of jing. Whenever I summon Belial I feel so drained after. One time I stupidly summoned him 5 hours after I dropped the pill twice. The day after I felt like I was about to die, I was shaking and losing my mind, I literally felt bipolar a while after until I built my jing back up.

@pegasus89

LMP follows one meal per day. 

As you age, your body naturally produces less testosterone and HGH - the anabolic hormones. *this fits with the taoist view you've expressed.

As science has now shown, with  a combination of heavy duty weigong + intermittent fasting you can totally reverse that and fix hormone levels/issues and even boost them regardless of age

Theres a few problems with that line of thought however

Seeing as we are talking science...A wholefood meal will only keep the body anabolic for 5-6 hours (See Lyle McDonalds Protein Book). So will you die from eating only one meal a day? no, but its far from an optimal approach. We can leave the realm of science, and talk about SOTG and how the he just defies science in ways that honestly make my mind boggle...but thats another story altogether

For an average person, a beginner or anything else...Im unsure how this is a good idea? but i am all ears because i like to question things, and hear alternative opinions. if one was intermittent fasting id imagine the 3 meals in an 8hr window is a far better option, scientifically speaking

This is not to mention thats its almost impossible to have an optimal diet eating one meal per day (assuming one can satisfy all nutritional requirements). The whole balanced diet thing is very tricky....lets imagine you need 2000 calories a day...and you're aiming near 100g protien a day....you almost must ingest around 38g fiber....but fiber interferes with caloric absorption in large doses..etc etc..it becomes 10 times more complicated when you start factoring micro-nutrients into the equation...but in general you'll either end up in an energy deficiency, or a nutritional one....and then you have the issue of cancer causing vs cancer curing compounds...in general according to science one needs to eat meat and plants in a 2 or 3 :1 ratio of meat to dull down the effects (unless you are boiling and steaming everything...even then the former value is a safe bet).  The diagram below explains it. If one thinks being a vegan is hard...to manage the variables above is a far harder task




I do understand that you can improve your hormonal profile through weightlifting and diet...thats a given, and not something we didnt know until recent. But, Jing is more than hormones...it is the final layer of our essence that can be condensed before matter forms, hormones are simply a manifestation of Jing. More important than this however, is that the basis for our desire is tightly coupled with Jing. 

Its somewhat true to say the more one has sex the more one wants it...in that regard we can look to psychology and theory of operant conditioning...flicking back to daoist thought the movement vs stillness of Jing will also lend a hand. My response was to still the Jing and overcome any animal programming so that desire be overcome...before finding a better frequency.....this line of though isn't exclusive to Daosim...ive seen this across all sorts of teachings in mainstream and esoteric circles (some more extreme than others) desire is never particularly good

No matter how much red meat, eggs and weighlifting you do, if you are constantly ejaculating at a frequency above what you should be.... I imagine you will be depleted of Jing (unless you are at a high level..again i cannot state what rules apply there). I am as always open to anyone correcting me here, but thats what ive known to date anyway...

Yeah I know it’s bad to summon them often. At that point I haven’t summoned in like 2-3 weeks. I was just cultivating and he called out to me so I conjured him. In heinsight, I should of declined and waited until my jing was higher before summoning him

Thanks for this woman’s perspective Jen. I’m thinking my wife may be relieved it will just be weekly or so. Like you said our lives are so busy, I do tend to force it a bit fitting it in when I think she might just want to chill on it. Might make it better too! But good advice to talk to her about it. She knows about my internal work and have talked about sex and orgasm’s affect on it. 

I can absolutely vouch for this. In addition to the internal I do heavy weight lifting, long body weight exercise sessions  based on Navy Seals training regiment with running and swimming. And I absolutely think that it has turned my neuroendocrine clock back by decades. That’s why I think I have this crazy sex drive and appetite at 47, I think biologically speaking  I’m in my 20’s.  

And as far as the intermittent fasting goes it’s incredible both for weight control and internal energy development.  I’m closer to how Wim Hof does it then SOTG’s strict one time eating a day, I snack on like cliff bars, bananas, nuts, etc in small amounts throughout day and then eat my one  “big” meal after my workout when my body is primed to burn. I lost 25 lbs and am lean and continue to gain muscle and strength on it. There are times that I push it too hard and get a “bonk” during a long workout but overal it works great for me and I just continuously seek the sweet spot of balance. 

This is succinct gold brother and spot on, part of the reason why I eat lightly throughout the day, to keep that engine rumbling. Like SOTG said in another thread basically I only eat cause I do weigong, otherwise I’d have no interest in it. It’s merely fuel to power me. Those above words are SOTG level insight my brother! 

You dont have to argue anything about fasting abyss, because for there to be a disagreement, Id need to be in opposition to what you said re fasting science. Sorry if I was unclear, Im very aware of the benefits of fasting. I was arguing against a one meal a day approach (or 23/1) for anyone who is a beginner and who is hoping to progress on the Waigong side of things. I think 6 meals a day is outright silly, even 4 is a big stretch. Re the micro point: I think most have a better chance on more than one meal a day. Theres a nice tool called Cron o meter thats far better than myfitnesspal and theres days when I only ate 1 meal where i tracked it...the furthest i got was to 75% (that was with almost a full kg of vegetables). So if you can hit all the micros in one meal kudos! any supplements?

There is somewhat of  a valid basis to go for a 16/8 over a 23/1 when you consider a beginner aiming for progress in waigong plus what I mentioned about wholefood meals (liquid protein is worse, as it digests faster). How about someone who isnt trying to build any muscle, only retain? ..perhaps a 20/4 with two meals etc. Then going further into advanced practitioners, i cant comment on how it works for people who which physics biology and chemistry books need to be rewritten, I was talking about beginners. Again apologies if I wasn't clear. 

Caloric restriction for longevity yes.... but for progress in Waigong? Im curious as to how that  might work exactly?....Now as for the Yogis, i dont think they'll be ripping deadlifts off the floor anytime soon, so we dont really need to continue that discussion, unless we are moving beyond the context of waigong plus fasting?

On the religious point, im glad you mentioned it, as it relates to what I said about desire. This wasn't  just a tool used by them for physiological benefit. Im pretty sure this was just as much to do with taming the senses in order to progress spiritually. These two diagrams (Jungian and religious) show their line of reasoning (You'd see similar practices in Buddism, Daosim etc to break the taste desire barrier). Please note im only posting these in the context of the discussion for informational purposes, i feel they will save a lot of paragraphs

 

Now someone can correct me on this, but I do think Jing is not only responsible for sexual fluids, but all bodily fluids to some degree. Couple this with the fact that your mouth waters with food etc and this further illustrates the relationship between Jing and desire. Manly P Hall mentions how mystery schools called desire " the guardian of the threshold" Heres another interesting illustration




I agree with everything you say about the electromagnetic potential, and there is very little i disagree with about fasting in general. I absolutely think it can be a worthwhile and beneficial approach, I hope i made it clearer what i was trying to say earlier, just that a 23:1 approach is extreme and possibly counterproductive unless highly advanced (which i know nothing about), and apologies if i came across are argumentative, truly not my intention

P.S sorry for the images, sometimes its easier to illustrate a point than writing a long winded paragraph

I am not sure about this guy.  He has a "feeling" that really makes me cringe and question his authenticity.  The thing is he seems like he has lots to sell and that turns me off, but if he helps you that is all that matters my brother. I read somewhere too he sells and uses his own supplements and that is a big red flag to me, I'm a purist though and think all nutrition should come from whole foods, not from supplementation. His physique is truly impressive though!

He charges $50 for his research from his website. I’m not THAT interested to pay for it. I’d read it otherwise because I deeply respect your recommendation and opinions my friend.