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Post by yugenphoenix on Sept 4, 2018 13:15:43 GMT -5
Just wanted to get a discussion going with anyone else who struggles with Jing conservation. I have read the threads by SOTG on the dangers of retention and masturbation and the recommended length of time between losing the Pill, but its become something of a new struggle for me because now that I'm using the LMP/MFBH methods I am getting real results and have for the first time felt a serious energy loss after sex, I think because I finally am progressing. Which is great but at the same time, priorities have to be rethought. I got some good encouragement from a senior member that as I cultivate and advance, the energy loss will be less with orgasm. Which is great to be able to look to the future, but just have to get there first and some Jing conservation seems prudent and necessary in order to do that. I come from a recent background of dabbling in those pointless and dangerous practices of Mantak Chia and his ilk, just prior to finding MFBH. I did masturbation with retention for a few months and found it did nothing but make me super aggressive. So I had already quit it for about 2 months prior to beginning here. And then reading SOTG's as always spot on expert advice and feeling Jing "loss" for the first time, I realized my every 3 days of sex with wife was gonna have to be reevaluated and that's where I'm at now. I am very much helped by some thoughts I'd like to share and might help others, and was hoping this could be a thread where we could encourage each other as brothers in arms.
Our sexual essence, our Jing is our power and we and only we decide how we will spend it and who we will gift it to and when. Being cultivators, our Jing is more potent and special then most other men. But at the same time it is the fuel that powers our practices for meditation, martial arts, and magick. If we just thoughtless throw it away we will be nothing special anymore and all the work we do will be in vain and our progression to being the god-kings we can be, if we have strength and discipline, will be halted in its tracks and spiral back to zero. When SOTG stated that even an erection causes Jing loss, that changed a lot how I think about the world around me and in my personal responsibility to both my own energy and its use around my friends and their wives, and women in general. I now actively not so much suppress but redirect any sexual thoughts I have in general and specifically towards women I see out in the world. And its hard because the truth of the matter is the more Jing you have, the more women can sense its power, and are drawn to you. I have experienced this over the years of cultivating as I'm sure you all have.
But now that I can feel my LDT and now my MDT so strongly it encourages me to hold on to my power, my Jing to keep the process going and advancing. Its not easy, but I plan to increase the time of sex between my wife and I to the 7 days and see how I feel from that and then reevaluate again. This won't be all the time, I'm sure there will be exceptions, but in general I'm going to try to stretch things out. Please share any thoughts or experiences you like that will help another bro out. So happy to be a part of this with you all. And any women though you lucky devils don't have to worry about sexual conservation (you have your own monthly massive Jing loss to deal with), please chime in as well with any thoughts or advice.
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Post by pegasus89 on Sept 4, 2018 20:11:58 GMT -5
This is just my opinion, but a defined period of celibacy would probably force you to challenge any urges you might have, and view the emotional programming attached to our " animal consciousness" in a different manner, before turning it on its head
Imo (and it is only that, an opinion), if one really wants to have full control over jing conservation/loss they need to move to a point where they drive their desire, rather than their desire driving them. This sounds very simple, but its easier said than done
Erections will happen to almost everyone....sometimes unconsciously... I focus on the point between the penis and the scrotum...and then the perineum....it has worked for me..you might feel the jing move backward if you've built up a bit
3 days seems very frequent...how old are you if i may ask?
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Post by yugenphoenix on Sept 4, 2018 22:43:28 GMT -5
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Post by jeneva on Sept 5, 2018 7:56:02 GMT -5
I feel like weekly is plenty for our demographic. My husband isn’t a cultivator, but as a former semi-pro endurance athlete he basically understood the connection from back in his racing days. I know it isn’t supposed to be as important for women but I start to feel run down too with too much. For a lot of women busy with kids, it starts to feel like another chore so longer might instill more a sense of yearning also. Emotionally, your wife might worry that you aren’t finding her attractive anymore so you need to communicate, maybe frame it as an experiment to see how you both feel and find other things to do together to connect as a couple.
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Post by forwards on Sept 5, 2018 8:28:07 GMT -5
Sexual thoughts burn jing for men and women. So there are no freebies.  The difference is that women are usually naturally better at draining jing than men are. The "beginner" advice for loneman pai is to go 2 to 3 weeks between orgasms. Up to a month can be doable depending on how well your system develops. The more jing you hold onto to put towards developing the ldt the faster it will strengthen. After it starts doing different things the timeframes start to change and fluctuate.
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Post by SonOfTheGods on Sept 5, 2018 8:37:56 GMT -5
Just wanted to get a discussion going with anyone else who struggles with Jing conservation. I have read the threads by SOTG on the dangers of retention and masturbation and the recommended length of time between losing the Pill, but its become something of a new struggle for me because now that I'm using the LMP/MFBH methods I am getting real results and have for the first time felt a serious energy loss after sex, I think because I finally am progressing. Which is great but at the same time, priorities have to be rethought. I got some good encouragement from a senior member that as I cultivate and advance, the energy loss will be less with orgasm. Which is great to be able to look to the future, but just have to get there first and some Jing conservation seems prudent and necessary in order to do that. I come from a recent background of dabbling in those pointless and dangerous practices of Mantak Chia and his ilk, just prior to finding MFBH. I did masturbation with retention for a few months and found it did nothing but make me super aggressive. So I had already quit it for about 2 months prior to beginning here. And then reading SOTG's as always spot on expert advice and feeling Jing "loss" for the first time, I realized my every 3 days of sex with wife was gonna have to be reevaluated and that's where I'm at now. I am very much helped by some thoughts I'd like to share and might help others, and was hoping this could be a thread where we could encourage each other as brothers in arms.
Our sexual essence, our Jing is our power and we and only we decide how we will spend it and who we will gift it to and when. Being cultivators, our Jing is more potent and special then most other men. But at the same time it is the fuel that powers our practices for meditation, martial arts, and magick. If we just thoughtless throw it away we will be nothing special anymore and all the work we do will be in vain and our progression to being the god-kings we can be, if we have strength and discipline, will be halted in its tracks and spiral back to zero. When SOTG stated that even an erection causes Jing loss, that changed a lot how I think about the world around me and in my personal responsibility to both my own energy and its use around my friends and their wives, and women in general. I now actively not so much suppress but redirect any sexual thoughts I have in general and specifically towards women I see out in the world. And its hard because the truth of the matter is the more Jing you have, the more women can sense its power, and are drawn to you. I have experienced this over the years of cultivating as I'm sure you all have.
But now that I can feel my LDT and now my MDT so strongly it encourages me to hold on to my power, my Jing to keep the process going and advancing. Its not easy, but I plan to increase the time of sex between my wife and I to the 7 days and see how I feel from that and then reevaluate again. This won't be all the time, I'm sure there will be exceptions, but in general I'm going to try to stretch things out. Please share any thoughts or experiences you like that will help another bro out. So happy to be a part of this with you all. And any women though you lucky devils don't have to worry about sexual conservation (you have your own monthly massive Jing loss to deal with), please chime in as well with any thoughts or advice.
Pinned!  Masturbation and retention is different than < sex/love with partner =coupled with retention You had aggression because--------- you lacked Yin from a female-coupling bro
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Post by pegasus89 on Sept 5, 2018 8:50:32 GMT -5
That seems too often for a person of that age imo...Im certainly not judging or anything but based on any knowledge I have....that would have you at depleted levels of Jing From a Taoist perspective, Jing decreases as you age (and is lost in myriad ways..sex being one of the most, if not the most prominent factors). Thus by that logic the older you get the more important it is to conserve and "spend" sparingly. Now at high levels of practice there's an argument for actually building Jing (Im referring to Yuan Jing here), and the schools of thought diverge there....some say its possible others disagree. I personally sway to the former side ( The relationship between True Yin Qi and Jing is one such reason). Now im not saying Taoist teachings are the be and end all...but I am aware there's plenty of valid information contained within. As I said before...3 days is very excessive. If you are desire driven, then perhaps address that via a period of celibacy, until the urge is brought under control, to that point that you overcome the "animal consciousness" programming. At 47 id imagine once a month is a time that would allow Jing to start coming back to normal levels..again this is personal opinion...but its not far off SOTG/LMP recommendations...At your current rate that is a 90% decrease...which means it would certainly require you to challenge you current dynamic.
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Post by silvereye on Sept 5, 2018 9:03:58 GMT -5
Conjuring also can drain a lot of jing. Whenever I summon Belial I feel so drained after. One time I stupidly summoned him 5 hours after I dropped the pill twice. The day after I felt like I was about to die, I was shaking and losing my mind, I literally felt bipolar a while after until I built my jing back up. 
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Post by other on Sept 5, 2018 9:45:07 GMT -5
My only advice is don't supress.
Either if you supress or give into it at every chance, the sexual drive controls you.
Integration is the key. A balance that keeps you and your partner happy, healthy and connected.
Lots of qi sensibility can be gained by integrating and observing sexual energy.
Also, it's never a bad idea to practice non ejaculatory orgasms through relaxation and not clenching the pc muscle
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Post by abyss on Sept 5, 2018 10:44:35 GMT -5
@pegasus89
LMP follows one meal per day.
As you age, your body naturally produces less testosterone and HGH - the anabolic hormones. *this fits with the taoist view you've expressed.
As science has now shown, with a combination of heavy duty weigong + intermittent fasting you can totally reverse that and fix hormone levels/issues and even boost them regardless of age
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Post by abyss on Sept 5, 2018 10:47:09 GMT -5
Conjuring also can drain a lot of jing. Whenever I summon Belial I feel so drained after. One time I stupidly summoned him 5 hours after I dropped the pill twice. The day after I felt like I was about to die, I was shaking and losing my mind, I literally felt bipolar a while after until I built my jing back up.  Bro, seriously? - read the obsession @frequent summoning thread
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Post by pegasus89 on Sept 5, 2018 14:14:12 GMT -5
@pegasus89 LMP follows one meal per day. As you age, your body naturally produces less testosterone and HGH - the anabolic hormones. *this fits with the taoist view you've expressed. As science has now shown, with a combination of heavy duty weigong + intermittent fasting you can totally reverse that and fix hormone levels/issues and even boost them regardless of age Theres a few problems with that line of thought however Seeing as we are talking science...A wholefood meal will only keep the body anabolic for 5-6 hours (See Lyle McDonalds Protein Book). So will you die from eating only one meal a day? no, but its far from an optimal approach. We can leave the realm of science, and talk about SOTG and how the he just defies science in ways that honestly make my mind boggle...but thats another story altogether For an average person, a beginner or anything else...Im unsure how this is a good idea? but i am all ears because i like to question things, and hear alternative opinions. if one was intermittent fasting id imagine the 3 meals in an 8hr window is a far better option, scientifically speaking This is not to mention thats its almost impossible to have an optimal diet eating one meal per day (assuming one can satisfy all nutritional requirements). The whole balanced diet thing is very tricky....lets imagine you need 2000 calories a day...and you're aiming near 100g protien a day....you almost must ingest around 38g fiber....but fiber interferes with caloric absorption in large doses..etc etc..it becomes 10 times more complicated when you start factoring micro-nutrients into the equation...but in general you'll either end up in an energy deficiency, or a nutritional one....and then you have the issue of cancer causing vs cancer curing compounds...in general according to science one needs to eat meat and plants in a 2 or 3 :1 ratio of meat to dull down the effects (unless you are boiling and steaming everything...even then the former value is a safe bet). The diagram below explains it. If one thinks being a vegan is hard...to manage the variables above is a far harder task  I do understand that you can improve your hormonal profile through weightlifting and diet...thats a given, and not something we didnt know until recent. But, Jing is more than hormones...it is the final layer of our essence that can be condensed before matter forms, hormones are simply a manifestation of Jing. More important than this however, is that the basis for our desire is tightly coupled with Jing. Its somewhat true to say the more one has sex the more one wants it...in that regard we can look to psychology and theory of operant conditioning...flicking back to daoist thought the movement vs stillness of Jing will also lend a hand. My response was to still the Jing and overcome any animal programming so that desire be overcome...before finding a better frequency.....this line of though isn't exclusive to Daosim...ive seen this across all sorts of teachings in mainstream and esoteric circles (some more extreme than others) desire is never particularly good No matter how much red meat, eggs and weighlifting you do, if you are constantly ejaculating at a frequency above what you should be.... I imagine you will be depleted of Jing (unless you are at a high level..again i cannot state what rules apply there). I am as always open to anyone correcting me here, but thats what ive known to date anyway...
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Post by abyss on Sept 5, 2018 15:24:53 GMT -5
I'm not going to argue about fasting science with you. The information is readily available for you if you look into it. Nor was I proposing the extreme that is ejaculation out of control. And as far as micronutrients go, it is more than feasible to get all of them with 1 meal a day- if you know what youre doing. Is it practical to expect the normal person to do this? No - but the normal person can't get all the micros right with 6 meals a day, so the point is moot. Meal feeding, that is eating within a window as well as caloric restriction have both been independently linked to increased longevity. - no getting around that. So take that how you will. Also a single example, how does one account for the yogis in india? The ones That are imaciated and without morbidities? And quite long lived? Fasting is used in just about every religion on the planet by the way. And also there is this : the stomach acts like an on/off switch which can keep activated the taiji pole/central channel or deactivate it. When the stomach is turned off or set into neutral, such as with fasting, there is greater opportunity for an increase in the magnetic flux field of the body which provides a greater opportunity for the nervous system to create greater amounts of electrostatic charge and for the body to hold a greater electrostatic charge allowing an increase in our entire electromagnetic potential. Also this, IME as well as others: Once you : 1.) Build up your reserves (by retaining longer) 2.) further refine your energies Dropping the pill will have less of an effect on you, your flux, tan tien etc.
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Post by silvereye on Sept 5, 2018 16:41:15 GMT -5
Conjuring also can drain a lot of jing. Whenever I summon Belial I feel so drained after. One time I stupidly summoned him 5 hours after I dropped the pill twice. The day after I felt like I was about to die, I was shaking and losing my mind, I literally felt bipolar a while after until I built my jing back up.  Bro, seriously? - read the obsession @frequent summoning thread Yeah I know it’s bad to summon them often. At that point I haven’t summoned in like 2-3 weeks. I was just cultivating and he called out to me so I conjured him. In heinsight, I should of declined and waited until my jing was higher before summoning him
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Post by yugenphoenix on Sept 5, 2018 19:59:34 GMT -5
Sexual thoughts burn jing for men and women. So there are no freebies.  The difference is that women are usually naturally better at draining jing than men are. The "beginner" advice for loneman pai is to go 2 to 3 weeks between orgasms. Up to a month can be doable depending on how well your system develops. The more jing you hold onto to put towards developing the ldt the faster it will strengthen. After it starts doing different things the timeframes start to change and fluctuate. That’s the conundrum for me forwards, though I’m a beginner to LMP and I’m strictly following the recommended pathway, I have been doing internal practices for three years before coming here. The caveat being LMP is like nitro! I’ve never felt the energy like I do with it, but is that because I have an internal “base” already, in addition to LMP being the bomb? The truth is I’m never gonna do the 2-3 weeks and based on what I said I’m thinking I’m ok to try stretching it to a week. I’ll be experimenting and post back here with energy changes.
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Post by yugenphoenix on Sept 5, 2018 20:04:30 GMT -5
I feel like weekly is plenty for our demographic. My husband isn’t a cultivator, but as a former semi-pro endurance athlete he basically understood the connection from back in his racing days. I know it isn’t supposed to be as important for women but I start to feel run down too with too much. For a lot of women busy with kids, it starts to feel like another chore so longer might instill more a sense of yearning also. Emotionally, your wife might worry that you aren’t finding her attractive anymore so you need to communicate, maybe frame it as an experiment to see how you both feel and find other things to do together to connect as a couple. Thanks for this woman’s perspective Jen. I’m thinking my wife may be relieved it will just be weekly or so. Like you said our lives are so busy, I do tend to force it a bit fitting it in when I think she might just want to chill on it. Might make it better too! But good advice to talk to her about it. She knows about my internal work and have talked about sex and orgasm’s affect on it.
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Post by yugenphoenix on Sept 5, 2018 20:08:02 GMT -5
Just wanted to get a discussion going with anyone else who struggles with Jing conservation. I have read the threads by SOTG on the dangers of retention and masturbation and the recommended length of time between losing the Pill, but its become something of a new struggle for me because now that I'm using the LMP/MFBH methods I am getting real results and have for the first time felt a serious energy loss after sex, I think because I finally am progressing. Which is great but at the same time, priorities have to be rethought. I got some good encouragement from a senior member that as I cultivate and advance, the energy loss will be less with orgasm. Which is great to be able to look to the future, but just have to get there first and some Jing conservation seems prudent and necessary in order to do that. I come from a recent background of dabbling in those pointless and dangerous practices of Mantak Chia and his ilk, just prior to finding MFBH. I did masturbation with retention for a few months and found it did nothing but make me super aggressive. So I had already quit it for about 2 months prior to beginning here. And then reading SOTG's as always spot on expert advice and feeling Jing "loss" for the first time, I realized my every 3 days of sex with wife was gonna have to be reevaluated and that's where I'm at now. I am very much helped by some thoughts I'd like to share and might help others, and was hoping this could be a thread where we could encourage each other as brothers in arms.
Our sexual essence, our Jing is our power and we and only we decide how we will spend it and who we will gift it to and when. Being cultivators, our Jing is more potent and special then most other men. But at the same time it is the fuel that powers our practices for meditation, martial arts, and magick. If we just thoughtless throw it away we will be nothing special anymore and all the work we do will be in vain and our progression to being the god-kings we can be, if we have strength and discipline, will be halted in its tracks and spiral back to zero. When SOTG stated that even an erection causes Jing loss, that changed a lot how I think about the world around me and in my personal responsibility to both my own energy and its use around my friends and their wives, and women in general. I now actively not so much suppress but redirect any sexual thoughts I have in general and specifically towards women I see out in the world. And its hard because the truth of the matter is the more Jing you have, the more women can sense its power, and are drawn to you. I have experienced this over the years of cultivating as I'm sure you all have.
But now that I can feel my LDT and now my MDT so strongly it encourages me to hold on to my power, my Jing to keep the process going and advancing. Its not easy, but I plan to increase the time of sex between my wife and I to the 7 days and see how I feel from that and then reevaluate again. This won't be all the time, I'm sure there will be exceptions, but in general I'm going to try to stretch things out. Please share any thoughts or experiences you like that will help another bro out. So happy to be a part of this with you all. And any women though you lucky devils don't have to worry about sexual conservation (you have your own monthly massive Jing loss to deal with), please chime in as well with any thoughts or advice.
Pinned!  Masturbation and retention is different than < sex/love with partner =coupled with retention You had aggression because--------- you lacked Yin from a female-coupling bro
My first pin! I’m honored brother. And light dawns on marble head bro, so simple but I missed it! I was drenching myself in pure Yang fists of fury without the cooling Yin. (Well still would be with wife, but in between I was turning Yang dial up so high it couldn’t balance). As always you hit it right on the head!
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Post by yugenphoenix on Sept 5, 2018 20:20:16 GMT -5
@pegasus89 LMP follows one meal per day. As you age, your body naturally produces less testosterone and HGH - the anabolic hormones. *this fits with the taoist view you've expressed. As science has now shown, with a combination of heavy duty weigong + intermittent fasting you can totally reverse that and fix hormone levels/issues and even boost them regardless of age I can absolutely vouch for this. In addition to the internal I do heavy weight lifting, long body weight exercise sessions based on Navy Seals training regiment with running and swimming. And I absolutely think that it has turned my neuroendocrine clock back by decades. That’s why I think I have this crazy sex drive and appetite at 47, I think biologically speaking I’m in my 20’s. And as far as the intermittent fasting goes it’s incredible both for weight control and internal energy development. I’m closer to how Wim Hof does it then SOTG’s strict one time eating a day, I snack on like cliff bars, bananas, nuts, etc in small amounts throughout day and then eat my one “big” meal after my workout when my body is primed to burn. I lost 25 lbs and am lean and continue to gain muscle and strength on it. There are times that I push it too hard and get a “bonk” during a long workout but overal it works great for me and I just continuously seek the sweet spot of balance.
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Post by yugenphoenix on Sept 5, 2018 20:27:13 GMT -5
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Post by yugenphoenix on Sept 5, 2018 20:45:13 GMT -5
And also there is this : the stomach acts like an on/off switch which can keep activated the taiji pole/central channel or deactivate it. When the stomach is turned off or set into neutral, such as with fasting, there is greater opportunity for an increase in the magnetic flux field of the body which provides a greater opportunity for the nervous system to create greater amounts of electrostatic charge and for the body to hold a greater electrostatic charge allowing an increase in our entire electromagnetic potential. This is succinct gold brother and spot on, part of the reason why I eat lightly throughout the day, to keep that engine rumbling. Like SOTG said in another thread basically I only eat cause I do weigong, otherwise I’d have no interest in it. It’s merely fuel to power me. Those above words are SOTG level insight my brother! 
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Post by RadioKnife on Sept 5, 2018 21:38:08 GMT -5
And also there is this : the stomach acts like an on/off switch which can keep activated the taiji pole/central channel or deactivate it. When the stomach is turned off or set into neutral, such as with fasting, there is greater opportunity for an increase in the magnetic flux field of the body which provides a greater opportunity for the nervous system to create greater amounts of electrostatic charge and for the body to hold a greater electrostatic charge allowing an increase in our entire electromagnetic potential. This is succinct gold brother and spot on, part of the reason why I eat lightly throughout the day, to keep that engine rumbling. Like SOTG said in another thread basically I only eat cause I do weigong, otherwise I’d have no interest in it. It’s merely fuel to power me. Those above words are SOTG level insight my brother! 
I think he was saying when the stomach is on (digesting constantly), the rest of the energy system is slowed / turned off. So less potential when you eat all day vs fasting and having your energy free to use elsewhere
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Post by pegasus89 on Sept 5, 2018 21:52:27 GMT -5
I'm not going to argue about fasting science with you. The information is readily available for you if you look into it. Nor was I proposing the extreme that is ejaculation out of control. And as far as micronutrients go, it is more than feasible to get all of them with 1 meal a day- if you know what youre doing. Is it practical to expect the normal person to do this? No - but the normal person can't get all the micros right with 6 meals a day, so the point is moot. Meal feeding, that is eating within a window as well as caloric restriction have both been independently linked to increased longevity. - no getting around that. So take that how you will. Also a single example, how does one account for the yogis in india? The ones That are imaciated and without morbidities? And quite long lived? Fasting is used in just about every religion on the planet by the way. And also there is this : the stomach acts like an on/off switch which can keep activated the taiji pole/central channel or deactivate it. When the stomach is turned off or set into neutral, such as with fasting, there is greater opportunity for an increase in the magnetic flux field of the body which provides a greater opportunity for the nervous system to create greater amounts of electrostatic charge and for the body to hold a greater electrostatic charge allowing an increase in our entire electromagnetic potential. Also this, IME as well as others: Once you : 1.) Build up your reserves (by retaining longer) 2.) further refine your energies Dropping the pill will have less of an effect on you, your flux, tan tien etc. You dont have to argue anything about fasting abyss, because for there to be a disagreement, Id need to be in opposition to what you said re fasting science. Sorry if I was unclear, Im very aware of the benefits of fasting. I was arguing against a one meal a day approach (or 23/1) for anyone who is a beginner and who is hoping to progress on the Waigong side of things. I think 6 meals a day is outright silly, even 4 is a big stretch. Re the micro point: I think most have a better chance on more than one meal a day. Theres a nice tool called Cron o meter thats far better than myfitnesspal and theres days when I only ate 1 meal where i tracked it...the furthest i got was to 75% (that was with almost a full kg of vegetables). So if you can hit all the micros in one meal kudos! any supplements? There is somewhat of a valid basis to go for a 16/8 over a 23/1 when you consider a beginner aiming for progress in waigong plus what I mentioned about wholefood meals (liquid protein is worse, as it digests faster). How about someone who isnt trying to build any muscle, only retain? ..perhaps a 20/4 with two meals etc. Then going further into advanced practitioners, i cant comment on how it works for people who which physics biology and chemistry books need to be rewritten, I was talking about beginners. Again apologies if I wasn't clear. Caloric restriction for longevity yes.... but for progress in Waigong? Im curious as to how that might work exactly?....Now as for the Yogis, i dont think they'll be ripping deadlifts off the floor anytime soon, so we dont really need to continue that discussion, unless we are moving beyond the context of waigong plus fasting?  On the religious point, im glad you mentioned it, as it relates to what I said about desire. This wasn't just a tool used by them for physiological benefit. Im pretty sure this was just as much to do with taming the senses in order to progress spiritually. These two diagrams (Jungian and religious) show their line of reasoning (You'd see similar practices in Buddism, Daosim etc to break the taste desire barrier). Please note im only posting these in the context of the discussion for informational purposes, i feel they will save a lot of paragraphs    Now someone can correct me on this, but I do think Jing is not only responsible for sexual fluids, but all bodily fluids to some degree. Couple this with the fact that your mouth waters with food etc and this further illustrates the relationship between Jing and desire. Manly P Hall mentions how mystery schools called desire " the guardian of the threshold" Heres another interesting illustration  I agree with everything you say about the electromagnetic potential, and there is very little i disagree with about fasting in general. I absolutely think it can be a worthwhile and beneficial approach, I hope i made it clearer what i was trying to say earlier, just that a 23:1 approach is extreme and possibly counterproductive unless highly advanced (which i know nothing about), and apologies if i came across are argumentative, truly not my intention  P.S sorry for the images, sometimes its easier to illustrate a point than writing a long winded paragraph 
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Post by abyss on Sept 5, 2018 22:29:36 GMT -5
Bro, I 23/1 everyday. And hit 48s and 72s and I bench press more than double my body weight, and squat double bodyweight, and deadlift almost 2.5x my bodyweight and can do it 24-72 hours fasted.
Sonofthegods can do it, I can do it and you can do it too.
Also, try looking up Dr. Nun Amen Ra for the other questions re - fasting + caloric restriction and progress via weigong
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Post by yugenphoenix on Sept 6, 2018 6:16:12 GMT -5
Also, try looking up Dr. Nun Amen Ra for the other questions re - fasting + caloric restriction and progress via weigong I am not sure about this guy. He has a "feeling" that really makes me cringe and question his authenticity. The thing is he seems like he has lots to sell and that turns me off, but if he helps you that is all that matters my brother. I read somewhere too he sells and uses his own supplements and that is a big red flag to me, I'm a purist though and think all nutrition should come from whole foods, not from supplementation. His physique is truly impressive though!
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Post by abyss on Sept 6, 2018 6:46:21 GMT -5
Also, try looking up Dr. Nun Amen Ra for the other questions re - fasting + caloric restriction and progress via weigong I am not sure about this guy. He has a "feeling" that really makes me cringe and question his authenticity. The thing is he seems like he has lots to sell and that turns me off, but if he helps you that is all that matters my brother. I read somewhere too he sells and uses his own supplements and that is a big red flag to me, I'm a purist though and think all nutrition should come from whole foods, not from supplementation. His physique is truly impressive though! His research is legit though, if you ever get a chance to read through it
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Post by yugenphoenix on Sept 6, 2018 7:14:01 GMT -5
He charges $50 for his research from his website. I’m not THAT interested to pay for it. I’d read it otherwise because I deeply respect your recommendation and opinions my friend.
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Post by forwards on Sept 6, 2018 8:18:26 GMT -5
OMAD (one meal a day) is better than most feeding approaches. For advanced and beginners. The only thing that makes it tough is your body is used to a snack lifestyle.
Sotg's recommended 1 meal a day, plus a 48 hour fast every week, is super healthy for anyone.
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Post by SonOfTheGods on Sept 6, 2018 9:49:09 GMT -5
Awesome thread- just want to add-- if you train during an intermittent fast (no food 15+ hours) your growth hormone levels increase around 1,000%
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Post by dyiekahat on Sept 6, 2018 10:23:32 GMT -5
Awesome thread- just want to add-- if you train during an intermittent fast (no food 15+ hours) your growth hormone levels increase around 1,000%
Fantastic to know. I had always felt the increased "survival instinct chemicals" from not eating. Keeps you "up." I had been eating 2 meals a day, going to wait till tonight to eat. Thanks
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Post by SonOfTheGods on Sept 6, 2018 10:54:20 GMT -5
I cultivate about 18 hours daily
By eating more than once- it would interfere with my internal arts
Sometimes more than 18 hours- because I will wake up from sleep, and my LDT is pumping
As soon as I eat- my LDT locks up and burns
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