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Post by silvereye on Jun 17, 2018 13:57:16 GMT -5
16th June
I wasn’t a member of forum yesterday yet I still did technique 1 so it is worth writing down this into my practice log. I failed to sit in a half lotus position so I sat down with my feet on the floor. After doing it for 15 minutes I felt maybe some flux? Not too sure. My visualisation skills were very good after doing this technique so I did law of attraction. As I was doing it, my cat interrupted me. For some reason he kept following me around all the rooms I would go in. He’s never done this before which is quite weird.
17th June
Today I tried technique 1. I firstly limbered up a bit so I could attempt a half lotus. I was attempting to do a half lotus and heard the sound of a man standing on a bag of tortilla chips. That was my knee. I didn’t want to injure myself so I decided to try it just sat down with my feet on the floor. I first clear my mind. Then I visualise White electric light entering my abdomen, flowing around my LDT then I squeeze my gooch(perineum) and it sucks the energy down there. I released the squeeze and exhaled. I visualised the light flowing around my LDT again and leaving my body. I visualised my LDT spinning forward. I repeated this for about 10 minutes. I did not feel any heat or anything just some weird waves of energy.
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Post by void on Jun 17, 2018 14:19:02 GMT -5
Welcome!
LOL, the cat following you around is a good sign that you got some energy movement. Keep up the good work!
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Post by silvereye on Jun 17, 2018 14:47:41 GMT -5
Welcome! LOL, the cat following you around is a good sign that you got some energy movement. Keep up the good work! Thanks bro! |
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Post by other on Jun 17, 2018 17:36:50 GMT -5
the knee popping is also a good sign that half lotus is still a far reach jajaja. Don´t sweat it though, it´s a marathon not a sprint. Paraphrasing my man void, flexibility takes a long time to develop, and knees take even longer to heal  |
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Post by silvereye on Jun 18, 2018 4:09:45 GMT -5
the knee popping is also a good sign that half lotus is still a far reach jajaja. Don´t sweat it though, it´s a marathon not a sprint. Paraphrasing my man void, flexibility takes a long time to develop, and knees take even longer to heal Okay Thankyou, imma have to take it slow then from now on. It’s just I feel like I’m being short changed when I do T1 because I’m not in a lotus getting the full effect. |
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Post by forwards on Jun 18, 2018 7:15:45 GMT -5
Welcome!
And yes, dont rush the lotus. Do your stretches and let patience do the rest. You can still get good results by sitting on a chair and doing these exercises.
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Post by silvereye on Jun 18, 2018 10:49:39 GMT -5
Welcome! And yes, dont rush the lotus. Do your stretches and let patience do the rest. You can still get good results by sitting on a chair and doing these exercises. Thankyou! Did you personally get good results from doing it sat down or a chair or have you heard it’s possible? |
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Post by ysemoh on Jun 18, 2018 11:34:43 GMT -5
Welcome!
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Post by forwards on Jun 18, 2018 12:00:17 GMT -5
Welcome! And yes, dont rush the lotus. Do your stretches and let patience do the rest. You can still get good results by sitting on a chair and doing these exercises. Thankyou! Did you personally get good results from doing it sat down or a chair or have you heard it’s possible? I've cultivated sitting in a chair for hours at work. Had some crazy breakthroughs while doing it also! It is definitely possible. |
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Post by silvereye on Jun 18, 2018 15:00:45 GMT -5
This really motivates me to read that, I will give it a shot
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Post by abdou on Jun 18, 2018 16:33:11 GMT -5
Welcome! Full lotus isnt necessary, it just helps to amplify the energy. Personally it's like a trigger to me now, even sitting on the floor crosslegged with friends my LDT gets activated
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Post by silvereye on Jun 18, 2018 16:39:45 GMT -5
Welcome! Full lotus isnt necessary, it just helps to amplify the energy. Personally it's like a trigger to me now, even sitting on the floor crosslegged with friends my LDT gets activated Thanks man! Do you reckon sitting cross legged would be better than sat down to cultivate? |
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Post by ragnarok on Jun 18, 2018 18:19:22 GMT -5
Welcome brother! Hope you'll come to enjoy the training |
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Post by abdou on Jun 18, 2018 18:45:21 GMT -5
Welcome! Full lotus isnt necessary, it just helps to amplify the energy. Personally it's like a trigger to me now, even sitting on the floor crosslegged with friends my LDT gets activated Thanks man! Do you reckon sitting cross legged would be better than sat down to cultivate? I mean youll get results either way, but i guess if i had to pick..outside sitting with perineum to the ground is best |
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Post by silvereye on Jun 19, 2018 9:37:23 GMT -5
Thanks man! Do you reckon sitting cross legged would be better than sat down to cultivate? I mean youll get results either way, but i guess if i had to pick..outside sitting with perineum to the ground is best The weather is nice today so I’m going to give it a try, thanks for the advice |
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Post by silvereye on Jun 19, 2018 18:17:24 GMT -5
19th June Pre-Cultivation: 5 minutes of JoeBlast’s breath work review tech - Visualisation was a bit tricky to hold at first - I ended up using my finger to guide my breath instead of a visualised train or ball. After 30 seconds I used the toy train from there on. - In Breath work review tech, he speaks of not breathing through the sinuses or nose, My interpretation of that is that I focus on pretending my breath is coming straight from solar plexus instead of my nose. Is my interpretation right? - He also talks of anchoring the diaphragm, I’m unsure about what that means. - I must of been doing something right as I got into an extremely meditative state within as little as a minute and was very chilled out. Usually it takes atleast 15 minutes for me to get into a proper meditative state. 10 Minutes Technique 1: - The deadlifts I did decided wether or not I should attempt a half lotus. I’ll skip trying for today haha (legs are very sore) . - Sit on chair with feet flat on the carpet - Visualise white light coming from the outside, into my abdomen and flowing around my LDT then I squeeze my perineum and it sucks it to my perineum, I hold for a second and released and visualise the hot charged energy flow around my LDT. The charged light then leaves my LDT and then it hits my abdomen wall and disappearing. In the tutorial I’m not sure if it was stated to visualise energy leaving the body, from what I know about this forum and lonemanpai, one aim is to conserve energy. So please correct me if that part of my technique was wrong. - It was hard to visualise it first but then 5 minutes in, it got easier to visualise (Possibly because of more shen, I’m not sure) - After 10 minutes I finish and feel extremely dizzy and fuzzy headed. Post-Cultivation: 10 minutes breath work review tech. - This tech is awesome, thanks JoeBlast and the member which sent me the link! |
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Post by ragnarok on Jun 19, 2018 22:05:26 GMT -5
1- Visualisation was a bit tricky to hold at first 2- I ended up using my finger to guide my breath instead of a visualised train or ball. After 30 seconds I used the toy train from there on. - In Breath work review tech, he speaks of not breathing through the sinuses or nose, My interpretation of that is that I focus on pretending my breath is coming straight from solar plexus instead of my nose. Is my interpretation right? - He also talks of anchoring the diaphragm, I’m unsure about what that means. 3- I must of been doing something right as I got into an extremely meditative state within as little as a minute and was very chilled out. Usually it takes atleast 15 minutes for me to get into a proper meditative state. 4- Visualise white light coming from the outside, into my abdomen and flowing around my LDT then I squeeze my perineum and it sucks it to my perineum, I hold for a second and released and visualise the hot charged energy flow around my LDT. The charged light then leaves my LDT and then it hits my abdomen wall and disappearing. In the tutorial I’m not sure if it was stated to visualise energy leaving the body, from what I know about this forum and lonemanpai, one aim is to conserve energy. So please correct me if that part of my technique was wrong. Good work bro Nice with feedback so we can help  My feedback below is based on my current understanding so I might be wrong, but if so another bro is likely to spot it and chime in. Just take it for what's it worth bro 1. Visualization is a skill like any other, I promise that you'll greatly improve in short order if you keep up the practice! With increased shen your ability to "see" will improve further. 2. The point of the train is to anchor like you ask about. If we picture the diaphragm like a horizontal sail, it makes sense that it must be anchored somewhere right? Anchoring in the front might/will lead to hiccups when relaxing on exhale and from anatomy pictures and trial+error joeblast found out that anchoring towards the back made most sense and gave the desired results. That's why the spine is the train tracks and the train is going down on the inside of the spine, thus anchoring towards the back by putting the focus there. Works similar with the ball. I began with the ball but after a while I just focus on moving the diaphragm directly while still anchored to the back side. Like a sail slowly billowing down and up. I think focusing on breathing right from solar plexus is a big improvement from having focus in the nose, but I'm not sure it's needed. Since infolad who knows his stuff does it from there I guess you can't go too wrong from doing it as well. Myself I just focus on the diaphragm and lets the motion of pulling it down slowly create a vacuum that fills the lungs with air. 3. I felt exactly the same as you when I came here and was pointed towards breathwork. I use it while driving, or standing in line to buy groceries or during yoga practice, lying in bed going to sleep etc etc. Just amazing! 4. In tech 1 I do it slightly different from what you describe. I see the white ball coming in, spinning it like a corkscrew, then I spin it in the center of LDT (as per our bro forwards instructions since way back) and then pull it down to perineum - this I do on the inhale. Then hold breath (without locking the throat) and pump it down there. Then exhale and bring it back up while still squeezing the floor. Btw I sit in half lotus or cross legged on the ground/floor depending on my knees mood and on how tough I feel that day lol - I rarely will sit in a chair but sometimes my knees force me to if I've had a couple of big days in half lotus. Depending on how limber you are, might want to use a small cushion to be able to keep a perfectly straight back. Psoas hamstring might be tight in a lot of men lol  |
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Post by silvereye on Jun 20, 2018 4:51:58 GMT -5
1. My visualisation has always been a bit weak. But usually when I get into my meditation it improves. I will keep up the practice and I’ll get there one day. 2. Oopsie I was anchoring on the front of the spine haha. Luckily I didn’t get any discomfort. His post explaining things was extremely advanced so I didn’t manage to wrap my head around all of it but I understood the technique but about 20% of the metas I didn’t get. From now on I will imagine the train/ball running down the inside of my spine. Thanks for clearing it up! I don’t know how to post images from mobile version so here is a screenshot. prnt.sc/jx34u4. This is why I decided to do that as he explained about how it’s so much better not to breath from your nose or sinuses. 3. Yeah it’s amazing. Relaxes me so fast. I’m definetely gonna do some right after this reply! 4. Thankyou for clearing up this technique for me! Because I’ve read on lonemanpai and seen SaToGa’s video yet on the lonemanpai everybody was saying different methods so I was unsure which one to chose. I will use this method in the future. Firstly, does it matter which they the cork spins? You said you pump the energy at the perineum, what do you mean by that? And do you release the squeeze at the end of the exhale? And does the energy come out of the abdomen or stay in your body? I’m really sorry bro for asking so many question I was just want to nail it ahah I’m going to be experimenting poisitions to try it in. I value my comfort while cultivating and I feel like In a half lotus right now I would feel uncomfortable which could distract me from cultivating. I really appreciate the reply & advice, thanks man! |
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Post by ragnarok on Jun 20, 2018 6:06:04 GMT -5
1. My visualisation has always been a bit weak. But usually when I get into my meditation it improves. I will keep up the practice and I’ll get there one day. 2. Oopsie I was anchoring on the front of the spine haha. Luckily I didn’t get any discomfort. His post explaining things was extremely advanced so I didn’t manage to wrap my head around all of it but I understood the technique but about 20% of the metas I didn’t get. From now on I will imagine the train/ball running down the inside of my spine. Thanks for clearing it up! I don’t know how to post images from mobile version so here is a screenshot. prnt.sc/jx34u4. This is why I decided to do that as he explained about how it’s so much better not to breath from your nose or sinuses. 3. Yeah it’s amazing. Relaxes me so fast. I’m definetely gonna do some right after this reply! 4. Thankyou for clearing up this technique for me! Because I’ve read on lonemanpai and seen SaToGa’s video yet on the lonemanpai everybody was saying different methods so I was unsure which one to chose. I will use this method in the future. Firstly, does it matter which they the cork spins? You said you pump the energy at the perineum, what do you mean by that? And do you release the squeeze at the end of the exhale? And does the energy come out of the abdomen or stay in your body? I’m really sorry bro for asking so many question I was just want to nail it ahah I’m going to be experimenting poisitions to try it in. I value my comfort while cultivating and I feel like In a half lotus right now I would feel uncomfortable which could distract me from cultivating. I really appreciate the reply & advice, thanks man! 2. You've done it right then bro! With anchoring towards back I mean to the inside of the spine. Or the side of the spine that's facing the belly. The front (and incorrect way) would be to sort of anchor from the inside of the front of the belly if that makes sense. If not I will make a picture in paint but I hope not lol Anyway the diaphragm is doing the job and you seem to have got it from your description and from the image you posted 4. Oh I don't think you need to cork screw for tech 1 but it has become a habit from other techs. SOTG tells to always spiral energy if possible. The direction depends on which hemisphere you're on. I used to train on the northern and then you use the descriptions that SOTG says. However I'm currently on the southern and has had to reverse them which is a pain in the ass. I think one easy way to determine how energy is supposed to go is to fill your sink, then pull plug and observe the direction of the whirling. Another easy one is to use an actual screwdriver and sink a screw into a piece of wood. That's the way it goes. So on northern it would be clockwise spin if I look at you and are sending energy of some kind into you. It means that it will look like counter clockwise from the POV of the person cultivating if you pull energy into you. Just pump and compress the ball of lux at the perineum, you'll get it! Then hold the squeeze as you exhale and bring it back up (this squeeze is also called squeezing the floor which is what I said, sorry for the lingo!). I think that you bring Lux ball back outside but I seem to recall an old post from SOTG saying that after a while you can just bring it back and forth inside the bent pipe. I get results from both so not sure what is best! My pleasure to help bro! |
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Post by silvereye on Jun 20, 2018 6:31:21 GMT -5
1. Ohhh yeah I know what you mean now  2. I will look for SOTG's description on it now. That does sound like a pain in the ass haha. I really had to over complicate this technique lol! But now thanks to you, I have all my questions about the technique answered and now have a solid method so I can just crack on now. I am in Europe which is northern hemisphere so yeah clockwise it is. I might leave the spiraling bit out until I can do this tech with ease. |
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Post by ragnarok on Jun 20, 2018 17:21:26 GMT -5
All good bro! Hope you'll enjoy the training |
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Post by silvereye on Jun 20, 2018 17:23:14 GMT -5
All good bro! Hope you'll enjoy the training Yeah man, had some weird occurrences though! |
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Post by silvereye on Jun 21, 2018 17:35:33 GMT -5
21th June This log will be extremely basic as nothing interesting happened which I can think of, just a basic session. Pre-Cultivation: 5 minutes of stillness breath Went smoothly, got into a trance like state 20 Minutes of Tech 1 Found this went smoothly aswell, felt a bit high after , sort of dizzy Post cultivation: 10 minutes of stillness breath Training went well |
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Post by ysemoh on Jun 22, 2018 5:51:09 GMT -5
21th June This log will be extremely basic as nothing interesting happened which I can think of, just a basic session. Pre-Cultivation: 5 minutes of stillness breath Went smoothly, got into a trance like state 20 Minutes of Tech 1 Found this went smoothly aswell, felt a bit high after , sort of dizzy Post cultivation: 10 minutes of stillness breath Training went well You're doing really well. I find that the high feeling takes some getting used too. :-) I like how you warm up and down, might nick a few ideas. |
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Post by silvereye on Jun 22, 2018 5:59:56 GMT -5
21th June This log will be extremely basic as nothing interesting happened which I can think of, just a basic session. Pre-Cultivation: 5 minutes of stillness breath Went smoothly, got into a trance like state 20 Minutes of Tech 1 Found this went smoothly aswell, felt a bit high after , sort of dizzy Post cultivation: 10 minutes of stillness breath Training went well You're doing really well. I find that the high feeling takes some getting used too. :-) I like how you warm up and down, might nick a few ideas. Thanks man! Nice to hear that as my training has been quite hit and miss recently I don’t mind it, it makes the meditation after really enjoyable. I get a very disassociated feeling which is great. I got the the pre and post idea from reading logs, I find other people’s logs really educational so I read them. But I am a beginner so I can’t really contribute much to the logs. |
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Post by joeblast on Jun 22, 2018 9:21:52 GMT -5
its awesome that the original group learned everything so well, props to all of yas!
I still lol at "buggering" incoming air pressure....I usually go fix my typos, and this is why, hahahaha It should be "buffering" and then it makes sense! |
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Post by ysemoh on Jun 22, 2018 11:31:42 GMT -5
its awesome that the original group learned everything so well, props to all of yas!
I still lol at "buggering" incoming air pressure....I usually go fix my typos, and this is why, hahahaha It should be "buffering" and then it makes sense! Lolol I did wonder about that one. By the way, thanks for that post bro, it was brilliant. |
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Post by joeblast on Jun 22, 2018 13:03:32 GMT -5
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Post by silvereye on Jun 22, 2018 15:43:35 GMT -5
its awesome that the original group learned everything so well, props to all of yas!
I still lol at "buggering" incoming air pressure....I usually go fix my typos, and this is why, hahahaha It should be "buffering" and then it makes sense! I didn’t notice the typo but yeah your post kicked ass, I’ve been doing it wrong until today though haha. I have been doing mostly abdominal breathing but then I learnt the true meaning of anchoring the diaphragm |
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Post by void on Jun 22, 2018 15:51:48 GMT -5
I wouldn’t worry so much about doing it wrong. Every time I revisit it I find something that I wasn’t doing correctly. I now call them “refinements to my technique”. |
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